Comments on: Are We Stealing Sheep To Fuel Church Growth? http://growingyourchurch.com/ministry/stealing-sheep-fuel-church-growth Sharing Ministry Resources For Growing Your Church Tue, 31 Aug 2010 11:54:06 +0000 hourly 1 By: Steve http://growingyourchurch.com/ministry/stealing-sheep-fuel-church-growth/comment-page-1#comment-88 Steve Thu, 27 Aug 2009 17:42:59 +0000 http://growingyourchurch.com/ministry/are-we-stealing-sheep-to-fuel-church-growth/#comment-88 I certainly agree, no one should ever just get up and leave, they should always seek to resolve. I guess I have known many people who just were in really bad churches (Financial mismanagment, adultry, etc.). Not making the case that excuses all the leaving. I'm making the point, that someone who goes to another church may not have been "stolen". The stealing is when a Church on purpose goes to places and seeks out people because "its better over here". No justification for that at all. I have just seen cases where Churches were accused of stealing, when in fact, the sheep were driven away because of all the drama at the Church. Our policy at our church is dont go and get anyone from another ministry, but don't turn them away from attending. You don't always know what you could be sending them back into? I certainly agree, no one should ever just get up and leave, they should always seek to resolve. I guess I have known many people who just were in really bad churches (Financial mismanagment, adultry, etc.). Not making the case that excuses all the leaving. I’m making the point, that someone who goes to another church may not have been “stolen”. The stealing is when a Church on purpose goes to places and seeks out people because “its better over here”. No justification for that at all. I have just seen cases where Churches were accused of stealing, when in fact, the sheep were driven away because of all the drama at the Church. Our policy at our church is dont go and get anyone from another ministry, but don’t turn them away from attending. You don’t always know what you could be sending them back into?

]]> By: Marvia http://growingyourchurch.com/ministry/stealing-sheep-fuel-church-growth/comment-page-1#comment-87 Marvia Thu, 27 Aug 2009 15:51:56 +0000 http://growingyourchurch.com/ministry/are-we-stealing-sheep-to-fuel-church-growth/#comment-87 Hi Steve, Yes you are quite right that sometimes people need to leave a congregation for conscience sake when they are not comfortable with its teachings and practices. However, I always advocate that one should try to seek a way to reslove this before we just up and leave. Sometimes, too if we are honest as you point out we (the ones looking to leave) are the ones in the wrong and whatever bad attitudes we have in the congregation we are leaving, we'll take it elsewhere. Personally, I'm not happy about receiving other people's members especially those who are leaving their congregation because they are disgruntled about something. I usually do my own checks to see what I'm getting into, even though I don't prevent anyone from attending our church. And I also appreciate it when a colleague calls and asks what went down with this person, they gave me a story but I want to hear from you. If more of us were doing that, instead of playing against each other we would, I believe, keep ourselves accountable as leaders and challenge members who are playing musical chairs looking for the 'perfect' church to be more honest. So thanks for your input and the other dimensions you ahve pointed out. Marvia Hi Steve,
Yes you are quite right that sometimes people need to leave a congregation for conscience sake when they are not comfortable with its teachings and practices. However, I always advocate that one should try to seek a way to reslove this before we just up and leave. Sometimes, too if we are honest as you point out we (the ones looking to leave) are the ones in the wrong and whatever bad attitudes we have in the congregation we are leaving, we’ll take it elsewhere.

Personally, I’m not happy about receiving other people’s members especially those who are leaving their congregation because they are disgruntled about something. I usually do my own checks to see what I’m getting into, even though I don’t prevent anyone from attending our church. And I also appreciate it when a colleague calls and asks what went down with this person, they gave me a story but I want to hear from you. If more of us were doing that, instead of playing against each other we would, I believe, keep ourselves accountable as leaders and challenge members who are playing musical chairs looking for the ‘perfect’ church to be more honest.

So thanks for your input and the other dimensions you ahve pointed out.

Marvia

]]> By: Steve http://growingyourchurch.com/ministry/stealing-sheep-fuel-church-growth/comment-page-1#comment-86 Steve Thu, 27 Aug 2009 13:24:59 +0000 http://growingyourchurch.com/ministry/are-we-stealing-sheep-to-fuel-church-growth/#comment-86 What about situations, where people need to leave bad churches? Sometimes that's the case. Churches who do not meet needs will always have that issue. If a church is meeting the needs of its congregants, you will still have some leave. Churches that seek to steal members from other places, will in turn have them stolen back. I just find that most churches who complain about these things, will "take" members in from other places, when in fact the person involved needs to grow themselves. Going out of the way to attract folks from other churches is wrong. I just want to point out that there are other dynamics in involved. grace + peace What about situations, where people need to leave bad churches? Sometimes that’s the case. Churches who do not meet needs will always have that issue. If a church is meeting the needs of its congregants, you will still have some leave. Churches that seek to steal members from other places, will in turn have them stolen back. I just find that most churches who complain about these things, will “take” members in from other places, when in fact the person involved needs to grow themselves. Going out of the way to attract folks from other churches is wrong. I just want to point out that there are other dynamics in involved.

grace + peace

]]> By: Marvia http://growingyourchurch.com/ministry/stealing-sheep-fuel-church-growth/comment-page-1#comment-16 Marvia Fri, 08 Aug 2008 05:27:10 +0000 http://growingyourchurch.com/ministry/are-we-stealing-sheep-to-fuel-church-growth/#comment-16 Phillip, Thanks for stopping by and sharing your thoughts. I've observed the same 're-cycling' of members in mega-churches in the US as well. You are right, the so-called un-churched are really 'lost and wandering' sheep. While the numbers of un-churched grows unchallenged. Peace Phillip,
Thanks for stopping by and sharing your thoughts.

I’ve observed the same ‘re-cycling’ of members in mega-churches in the US as well. You are right, the so-called un-churched are really ‘lost and wandering’ sheep. While the numbers of un-churched grows unchallenged.

Peace

]]> By: Phillip Phifer http://growingyourchurch.com/ministry/stealing-sheep-fuel-church-growth/comment-page-1#comment-15 Phillip Phifer Wed, 06 Aug 2008 23:24:32 +0000 http://growingyourchurch.com/ministry/are-we-stealing-sheep-to-fuel-church-growth/#comment-15 Thank you for your interesting article on the issue of sheep stealing. I was wondering how this fits into the megachurch phenomenon here in the United States. They claim to be "reaching the unchurched" but seem to be doing nothing more than gathering the lost or wandering sheep of other churches. Thank you for your interesting article on the issue of sheep stealing. I was wondering how this fits into the megachurch phenomenon here in the United States. They claim to be “reaching the unchurched” but seem to be doing nothing more than gathering the lost or wandering sheep of other churches.

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